Plasma Stealth…..Let’s take a look at this logically.
FIRST, Plasma is superheated gas, that is what MAKES IT PLASMA. That would make the aircraft in question stand out like a sore thumb on ANYONE’S INFRARED targeting systems.
SECOND, If Plasma Stealth works by NULLING the RADAR signal of incoming/enemy aircraft…well here in lies the paradox. If the Plasma Stealth equipped bird trys using RADAR…his outgoing signal will be drastically reduced. What is left will hit the target..bounce back and be even FURTHER REDUCED TO NOTHING coming back through the field….making any of his targets invisible. So if he is going against an F-22 or F-35 which are already Stealth….well, he just made them even more Stealth. Plasma Stealth would be a hindrance to the user more than a help.
Red stars always win, did you knew that the stealth theory was developed by a Russian and America based his stealth planes on that tecnology, the name of this person is Pyotr Ufimtsev and did you knew that the Russians valued that this isn’t good for a plane because it’s looked by a radar at low frequency, remember yugoslavia and the f-117??
Something else, did you knew that the F-35 has the technology of the yak-141 a plane from the 80’s? and they show you that as the most amazing and new technology. America has not enough cientistics to make what the russians make have you seen the Topol-M? In the west it was considered impossible in ballistics. Bye to the DAM.
Maharba…Yugoslavia shot down ONE F-117, ONE! NATO flew in and out of Yugoslavia using the same route every time! Considering how many thousands of sorties were flown, shooting down one stealth aircraft is pathetic.
Great looking plane above, but thrust vectoring was first demonstrated with the X-35 at the Paris Air Show years ago. More evidence of Russia checking out the US’s tech and copying it. That MiG looks like a cross between an F-16 and F-18. Smart idea when you think about it since they don’t have an abundance of money. Hell, even Putin was saying if they are lucky and smart, they MIGHT have the 6th best economy in the world down the road.
The passive seeking radars of MIG 35,Sukhoi 35 and Sukhoi MK1 enable the pilot to see the targets clearly because the functioning of the plasma device doesn’t interfere with the cross section of the plane’s radar.
(Plasma is not super heated gas.We all have plasma.If it were to be super heated,we would have melted.No life would have existed).
Plus the system draws in cool air and cools it further to spread a cool film of air around the body of the aircraft.So the plane is difficult to be sighted anyway.This naturally makes the plane’s radar more receptive and powerful.In other words,this plasma stealth system doesn’t make the enemy more invisible and doesn’t make the aircraft that uses plasma stealth more exposed.In this case the enemy stands exposed like a black sheep amidst a herd of white sheep.
There are different meanings to the word plasma. One of them is the one you talked about, liquid substance inside us (like blood plasma, cytoplasm, etc). Plasma discussed here is the ionized gas. They just happened to have the same name.
To: HAT1701D
While true that one way to create Plasma is by heating, Plasma is not always very hot, since there’s even ultracold plasma on temperature of 1mK or lower. Well, fluorescent light generates plasma and they’re not that hot I think – though touching them is still too hot for my hand I suppose.
As a matter of fact the russians don’t need the Stealth. As in the war on the Balkans US stealth fighter F-117 was intercepted and hit by a 1960-1980 weapon system the radar used to track the “Invisible” plane was a 30 year old The Russian 1R13 radar system.
So what need of a Stealth super secret material and design when you will go down by a “Stick”…
i believe that the russians is the most powerfull country as ever.russia is always ahead in terms of military technoly than the US.they attact their enemy without the help of its allies that the american always do.
“Krasimir” the radar on that missile didn’t see the plane it was a blind shot. Read G’s post, “NATO flew in and out of Yugoslavia using the same route every time!” If you know where they will be and when they will be there you don’t need a tracking device to get them.
Anyway, I just wonder what happens when plasma goes into the jet engine. Most plasmas are hot and all plasmas are ionized (not blood plasma that’s a different meaning of the word) and I’m sure that would affect a lot of things.
Regardless, what happens in a cross wind? Does the cross wind blow away your plasma radar shield? Does the jet have a giant electromagnetic field (read: easily detected) surrounding it to keep the plasma next to the airframe?
The more I think about it, the more ridiculous this all sounds. Silly propaganda :\
Well number one: Mr Ufimtsev is the guy behind current US stealth technology. He published a book back in 1960’s regarding this subject, and that was actually a physics text book. Soviets never went on using that technology since it was too expencive and very unreliable. So please do a search on stealth and Ufimtsev,it was also featured on history channel, as for proofs please note several f-117 that were shut down in Ugoslavia.
Second of all: American engeeneers that have to deal with stealth technology have Ufimtsev as their Idol, and indeed they had a chance to meet him personally in 1990’s but to their dismay he layed out a simple solution to his own alogarithm that is used today in american stealth fighters, this method renders the whole technology absolete. Again coming back to reason why Soviets never applied this technology. Russian aircraft and air defence systems have been using counter technology to detect stealth as soon as Americans built 1st stealth aircraft. Look at production date of Mig-31 it was designed to intersept SR-71 and still is the fastest and highest flying plane.
As for plazma technology please refer to Janes (publishing leader on war technology and news, also most up to date database on military subject) According to Janes….. back in 1980’s several American aircraft carriers were overflown by TU-95 Bear (and that is a big bomber)that were not detected until they came in to visual range. Also later several fighter jets were flying over US navy vessels and again were not detected until seen. This caused a lot of stress on people in pentagon and a lot of pople were fired. Later it was published again by Janes that conclusing was that Russians did implement plazma technology on their bombers and fighter jets. This information was never made public but is available in reliable military publishings.
I hope i made it clear what is what. Yeh take a look at 1997 issue of newsweek and time magazine. There is 2 page article about F-22 raptor and right after that white on black 4 page article about Su-27. That would clear up soem issues about American stealth and brute Russian approach to things.
Besides please note that F-22 entered production 5 years after Sukhoi entered service. F-22 is equiped with russian ejection seats, and it’s thrust vectoring is limited only to vertical vectoring where mig-29, mig-35 and su-30 su-32 su-35 su-37 have ability to vector in any direction.
Dude the F-22 has the engines copied from the russian jet fighters and they only started using them now but in Russia they have perfected them
the maneuverability only can go up and down left or right on the F-22 both sides of the back of the engine at once while on the Russian fighters including MiG-MFI they can flip one side up and the other down making it much more maneuverable and easier to do barrel rolls and with the plasma stealth technology on board that fighter, that becomes one hell of a fighter with cosmic speeds making it able to fly around the world in a couple minutes that’s right minutes not hours
all this while i thought the USA were far ahead of Russia, in terms of jet technology. reading these comments, i am convinced that in good economic times Russia can do more than the USA. Russia can partner a rich countries like China to create jet planes which can rival or overtake the F-22 or the Euro Fighter.
Question: are the Russian stealth planes in use or under construction?
as of now, they are still in the development stage or so they claim. you might not know whether they already have it. besides, deception is a key to any war as the art of war states. as a forecast, i would say that fighters or strike aircrafts may even push further to the ionosphere to be even more effective in evading detection.
You guys are talking way too much on things you have only heard about.The Russians didn’t develop any stealth fighter yet because they have seen its disadvantages in development costs, maintainability, price, etc. already at the American aircrafts.Me if I was an expert in such a domain I would rather develop new generation radars than stealth airframes.Besides the plasma stealth I’ve heard rumors that the Russians are considering a new type of radar capable to detect an aircraft by the turbulence it creates or the broken natural airflows by the hot jet exhaust, so radars are evolving as well, not only the airframes, I don’t know if the Americans did consider this before stating that “the F-22 can’t be matched by any known or projected plane”.Regards
WTF man im from Macedonia which was part from Yugoslavia,what kind of an idiot you have to be to think that someone will shoot a missile in an empty space,hoping it will make the shot at the right time so that you can shoot down a stealth aircraft.Its like shooting a sniper rifle and youve been LEGALY BLIND! trough out your whole life.So please RANDOM GUY dont make such a stupid comments,please for fuck sake.To make long story short the F117 actually showed on te radar,how i dont know? but it did so they stick an old ground to air missile up his butt,try to flew the mighty Raptor F22 trough a field that is surrounded with the newest Russian radars and SAM’s.If USA would have to invade,or bring peace,whatever you guys call it just to justife your cause for going into war,and that country surpose to be a 3rd world country equiped with the most advanced Russian Radars and SAM’s,I’ll guarantee you that USA will chicken out!you dont get iven near close to that place and not being shot down,so tuff luck.
Another thing do you think that russians will come out with what they claim Plasma stealth 5th gen fighters claiming that it will challenge the USA’s 5th gen fighters or surpass and after so many claims and finally signing a deal to produce them with other partners they will FAIL ON THE END?
Failing means losing bussines for good do you think that thats what the Russian scientist were doing while working on the plasma stealth?
Yes they were eating MCDonalds instead of doing their job,this bashing bullshit over the russians its incredible,but when they bring the punc it will be powerfull I guarantee you that.The only time Russian jets were shot down by USA jets was during middle east war back in the 80’s and in kosovo,not iven one mig 21 or 29 was properly functional due to the goverment not having funds to maintain them.The MIG 29 serbian pilot that got shot down by an Swedish F15 or F16 not sure which one he flew knowing his mig has no functional radar,it means he flew blind knowing he will die,he did that so that as a captain he didnt want to send younger kid to die!!!!
India vs USA friendly dog fight that was held in India,blue force F-15 vs red force Su-30 and Mig-21,USA lost by India 10:1.Lets see what the Russians come up with,and no need for waithing they will surprise the world again.
1. The story of F-117 in Yugoslavia is secret one on both sides, because the local commander of the small air defence unit was an ethnic Hungarian engineer(difficult fact to swallow for the Serbs). However the guy has made a large interview in Hungary. Needless to say, it was not a blind shot, he organized an all-day disciplined and well prepared radaring in his small local unit using their outdated but reliable Russian stuff. Suddenly they discovered the Amies and they immediately shot them off. So simple is it. In the third word however (Iraq, Syria, Iran)local commanders are simply undereducated and passive to organize such a high-level 24 hours service. (The guy told later that he considered the detection of F-117 a professional challenge :-)soundz pretty European.
2. The Chinese took the F-117 to their Belgrade embassy for research (thats why it was bombed by US). Anyway, now China has the technology and the new materials to build its own (perfected) F-117. They don’t rush with this project.
3. The reason why China is not mass-producing aircraft carriers and stealth bombers, is that there is a long-lasting and bitter debate about their use in the highest mlitary command. Late 2008 a Russian SU-bomber (equipped with cutting edge “plasma technology”) flew over a US aircraft carrier in the Pacific (ask Google), practically showing that aircraft carriers are swimming coffins nowadays.
4. I am from a free and reasonaly rich European country previously occupied by the Soviets. We don’t have any nostalgy of the past, but one has to admit that the quality of Russian basic research is vry high indeed. The actual development (military or civil) is the weak point. Now lets see what Putin can finance for its army (falling oil prices) and what Obama can give to the Pentagon (economic meltdown)…..China…well…they seem to be the winners of the game, in the short term at least.
5. Finally, technology is not everything. When US faced first world nations (for instance, poor communist countries like China, Vietnam, Korea with proper mass education, industry and basic infrastructure) the army was defeated. Whenever USArmy meets third world nations (rich oil countries without mass education, industry and proper civil infrastructure), the green necks win the war. Educated, disciplined people with high moral are victorious against the finest technology.
Krasimir: F117 stealth is also of 1960’s/70’s technologies. Loosing one during thousands of successfull missions would be considered extremely high even using your math. Anti gravity machines used since WWII leaves even the F22/35 obsolete, before they even began 15-20 years ago. These advance technologies are only cover for the much larger pictures. Wake up.
@Janos
Where did you get some of your “facts”? You’re totally wrong about your aircraft carrier claim. A Tu-95 indeed flew over an US aircraft carrier (the Nimitz) in international waters but the Tu was equipped with no plasma stealth tech; it showed up on the Radars and was escorted by F/A-18 jets during his flight over the Nimitz
@B
you forgot to mention that unlike the “red force” (Su / Migs), the F-15s had no AWACS on their side which is quite a big drawback, don’t you think so? 🙂
russian plasma theory isnt a realistic one for fighters or fast planes. as i have red on other sites the hot plasma will leave a high heat signature, so the only option is the cold plasma. the drawback on the cold plasma tho is it cant stand long on supersonic speed unless it goes on high altitude flights or subsonic speed on low altitude flights like the bombers.
You are the person that is wrong sir, I am Australian, and even I have heard that a plasma stealthed aircraft overflew an American Carrier without being detected, and as for the F-117 story It was my understanding as that it was spam AA fire that brought it down, not for the fact it was targeted, regardless the F-117 is not invisible to radar as most would seem to believe, it fluctuates in and out of radar scanners…
Btw, One shot down F-117 which cost a billion dollars compared to Yugoslavias smashed infrastructure military and economic parties… I’m pretty sure that was a very good effort on behalf of the United States.
All new tech seems like science fiction when it is firs released. Plasma stealth is just emerging. By the way it is not temperature that gives plasma its properties althought super heating gas is how plasma was discovered. Saying that American stealth planes are the best means that you are buying into capitalist propaganda (communists arn’t the only people who use propoganda). btw forgive my shpelling I am writing this on my iPod. The USA has had its time in the sun and while the sun sets in one country it rises in another, possibly several others. Before anybody calls me a communist, I’m not. i’m a socialist. If you say that they are the same thing then you are a blind Republican pig. Using that logic capitalism is the same as Facism.
I am from serbia and I am reading here a lot of bull… I can tell you that!
Can anyone tell me how many planes American lost during bombing of Serbia?Except F-117?
under the present and previous administration in the USA…they keep cutting back and their techonlogy is way too old..might be rich as a superpower..to me is about 35 year behind the Russians
Russian military technology we all know is mighty, but to launch an offancive to another country the us is probaly best, Russia operate currently 1 carrier, and probaly dosnt need anymore than 2, planned to be build.
One also have to consider that Russia does not currently operate an 5’th gen. fighter. and the us has manny, as for the stealth technology, it can always be detected, a stealth plane is not invinsible, The B2 has been detected manny times by passive radars on low to medium hight flights.
But then again in flight of a mission things will be diffrent.
As for the F-117 it was shot down by an old Russian modyfied 1963 S-125 Neva, Pechora system.
For the plasma stealth, it is problematic to this date, to create a shield for an intire airframe needs lots of power, and would not be adviceble when it comes to IR.
Russian aircrafts Mig-29smt and Su-35 operates or tested a small plasma generator to its front and back radar, these is syncronized to the radars change of ms. so it wont bend your own radar signals. Due to newer projects as SU-35BM or comming PAK-FA I do not currently hold any information, but it is discussed widely on the internet.
It would come to me as a suprice if Russians acualy inplented plasma stealth to a TU-95 or an TU-160.
Also reminder that the time of intercept of US aircarriers and ect. Its not during high alert, and Russia and US is not at war. Its like a game, and exerzise for Russian pilots. if at high alert an TU-95 / TU-160 dosnt need to fly close to an carrier to shoot it down, i bet both sided took out theyr cameras and took pictures, i know the Russian pilots did.
Manny greate technology invented by Soviet/Russia has after the Soviet fall come to an suprice and wonder to the americans. like RD-170 engines, mind controll, just to mention a few.
In US everything coasts alot to create, but Russians everything is cheaper to design, but for every event or technology invented by US, Russia always found a way around and got theyr things to work.
I think the cold war is over and both sides sould not go backwards like US inplenting ABM systems near Russias boarder. It only result in a buldup of nuclear rearmament like Topol-M. And breaking up the neutral/good relationship with both sides.
As for Russian technology its currently flowering, since Puting took over everything is better and the military budget has raised with ower 60 %. Russia now exports to varius of countrys establing good relationship and respect around the world.
I have my doubts about this plasma system for the simple reason, If Russia had a device that could hide any airplane then why are they designing their new aircraft to resemble the U.S. stealth aircraft? I have seen images of the new Russian fighter and it looks alot like an F-22. Everyone knows that U.S. stealth planes require computers to just keep them in the air so why would you use the design if you could just “mask” a SU-37?
Russian aircraft overfly U.S. ships in Sea of Japan
Two Russian Ilyushin IL-38 maritime patrol aircraft flew over the aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis on Monday, Stars and Stripes has learned.
The next day, two Russian “Bear” aircraft flew over the Stennis and command and control ship USS Blue Ridge more than once. In both incidents, the Russian aircraft were escorted by F/A-18 Hornets until they left the area.
The Navy is not concerned by the Russians’ actions because they were carried out professionally, according to international law, and in international waters and airspace, a Navy official said.
I am constantly amazed at you American dudes.You try to argue scientific principles and lose your audience(and your arguments) by your shocking spelling and your poor grammar.You are not technicians,scientists or engineers.Those guys know how to spell. You reveal yourselves as toothless redneck dirt farmers who occasionally leaf through a back issue of popular mechanics in the dentist’s waiting room whilst suffering from inflamed gums. Russia is now, and has for most of last century been a super-power and to its great credit is blessed with the ability to think differently to us in the west.Throughout the so called cold war they would constantly delight your western allies(that’s your NATO partners, Canada, England,Australia,South Africa and all the other countries that stand by you politically in the world arena and despise you in private.The U.S.was in awe of the humble T.34,but was gob-smacked by the soviet I.S.3 tanks of the Soviets.It took you an Embarrassingly long time to make a match for it. Your allies laughed at you. When you entered the Korean war you were once again shocked to encounter Jets from the Soviets.Then you found out that they had jets before you did.I mean even us Australians had been flying jets during ww2.in some English squadrons.Once again we laughed behind your back.Then Sputnik, we laughed. Then Laika, we laughed. Then Gagarin, then Treshkova. So you decide to go to the moon. But at the time your rockets kept crashing. The whole world laughed so loud we could no longer hide it.As we know the Russians had no intention of going to the moon, although they could have,at any time before you.You bored the world silly with your attempts to make an S.S.T. Concordski lands at Farnborough for an air show. The whole world laughed. You did not have a working plan for S.S.T. despite the billions spent.The list just goes on and on (reactive armour,Hind,AK.47, MiG.25 fox-bat)Astounding achievements that have rocked the world,changed it for the better as it turned out,and I have no doubt the Russians will continue to do this ad-infinitum, because they are remarkable and original thinkers,and up with modern times,whilst you guys on this page are still mired in 1950’s paranoia and conservatism.I,for one and I am not alone in this can’t wait for the Literature the is Going to come from Russia,and the music and art.Just like it did for centuries before Stalin and Beria.And you guys from the former eastern bloc,start expecting support from unexpected places, because the world does find America and Americans tiresome. the cold war is over,Science and good engineering is not.A little footnote to the U.S. If we had not committed so many billions of dollars into R and D on the joint strike fighter, we would seriously be buying Russian fighters.any fool can see they have superior handling .Australia might still, if the Americans do to us again what they did with the F-111’s in the sixties. The Canadians might join us as well. Take heed
You might want to do some basic research before you start saying things like the Soviets had no plans on going to the moon. They certainly did have plans which is why they developed the N1 rocket. Which I might add, also failed several times. The American’s Saturn V rocket never failed a single time. The Russins declassified a bunch of information on their moon program in the 1990s.
Also, the Americans were flying jets in WWII, look at the introduction of the P-80 in 1945. It was simply too early for any country to actually get them into combat. (Even the English didn’t get their aircraft in combat except against the V-1 Buzzbombs because of the limited range of the jets at that time.)
As for Korea, yes, the US was suprised by their introduction of the Mig-15. However, the Americans already had the P-80 and F-84 flying in Korea at that time. The Mig-15 forced them to bring in the F-86 as well. One other thing, the Soviets didn’t fly their first jet powered aircraft until 1946… four years AFTER the Americans flew the P-59 Airacomet and two years after the P-80 went into service.
Also, what are you trying to say about the SST? The Concordski Tu-144 actually crashed in Farnborough, if you review your history! The British/French built the Concorde which flew for decades. The Americans stopped development of their program when they actually did the math and realized that they couldn’t make money flying it. The British/French governments funded all the Concordes, which never made enough money to cover their costs. The Soviets did develop their Tu-144 and actually few it in service, but it was for a very short time. Obviously, they never made any money on it either.
I could go on and on, but it doesn’t matter, both sides produced amazing technologies to counter each other and we all live in a world that benefits from it.
You guys! The reason why the yanks lost against India during the exercise is because they have to lose. They do not want further advancement by any other nations so that they keep their edge. Also that is the reason why they cannot show any of the black program or share “black” technologies with any other nations including allies of the US. Also they would rather make people think that the Russians are ahead because it is like a sucker punch to the face on the Russians. Yeah believe that the Russians have an edge because that’s exactly what happened in the Korean war. Lots of Russian planes were shot down. West means for every plane shot down, 10 Russian planes will go down. One other thing it’s good economics for the fat dicks in the US defence industry because paranoia in the public eye means more money funded for them. Also you pricks talk about Aussies not being able to put out fires.. that’s low. You yanks also have the same problem. As for a single F117 being shot down.. Come on! That’s just one! How stupid are you guys?? Anyways the Russians are starting to change their ways from their very dark past but we will always keep tabs on what they do as we do not want a repeat of what happened. The yanks on the other hand also have a very dark past that also the world knows about. Anyways all the money that were spent on military use could have saved the whole planet from being hurt as it is today. Russia and allies plus US and allies are all guilty as hell. If you want to live longer and see your children grow up properly then stop all wars and stop the development of any military weapons. Unlikely? If we can build it, we can also dismantal it. Peace to you all! You all bleed red blood and all have the ability to love. Why couldn’t we just make a plasma love machine or stealth love plane? How about a love carrier? Love missile? Anti kill tank, kiss bullet, hug gas?? Haha
OooooWaaa… lot of stupid on here. Soviet Union broke up because it was a bad idea. They lost the race to the moon because they couldn’t develop the heavy lift/guidance technology quickly enough, to go half baked, bad idea. Sure, they had their moments, T34 greatest tank ever, all factors considered. Russian avionics are highly developed, they build the most agile fighters known to man, but its a dead end. Air combat has changed. Myth- Russian radar can “see” stealth. Bullshit. If that were the case, dozens of F117’s would be in pieces, there were 40-60 units operating of the type that hit the ONE lost F117, most likely because the lazy pilot opened his bomb bay door to early. Plasma is the forth state of matter, so for the idiots:
“Plasma consists of a collection of free moving electrons and ions – atoms that have lost electrons. Energy is needed to strip electrons from atoms to make plasma. The energy can be of various origins: thermal, electrical, or light (ultraviolet light or intense visible light from a laser). With insufficient sustaining power, plasmas recombine into neutral gas.” There… one must continuously supply the energy to maintain plasma, and unfortunately, ALL these forms of energy are READILY detectable…end of story. Anyone foolish enough to field a plasma stealth fighter will soon discover why it was never done before. Bad idea. Doesn’t matter…U.S. Stealth is merely a stepping stone. If you aren’t actively working on a stealth unmanned combat drone, you are already dead. They will be passive, and they will kill any emitting radar as soon as it turns on.
So much hype- so little science. Topol M, Russians are far ahead on solid rocket motor technology, but a defense evading warhead is over-stating the case. Yes, the warhead can change course after seperation, this defeats early, trajectory-predicting terminal phase ABM technology, but NOT current powered and guided interceptors. They’ve built a missile to defeat our best no longer used 20 year old never fielded technology. Woopee. As for laser proof? Prove it. Current chemical heavy lasers put 155-250 calories/mm2, generating 10k deg enough to melt titanium. That warhead would pretty much need to be solid to withstand more than a few seconds worth, and the supersonic melted blowoff would drastically alter the flightpath (this has been studied and tested, unlike the Topol M’s vaunted laser proof label), while absorbed heat would likely fuse the electronics or the nuclear detonator. Decoys however, are still a problem.
SST’s weren’t developed because…SUPRISE! Bad idea. B58 hustler and B70 Valkrie gave us all the flight test data we needed. And how many SST’s are flying today? My oh my why aren’t all the world’s airlines full of them? That’s right…bad idea. As for overflights of U.S. carriers…happens all the time…hell I could rent a crop-duster and do it myself! What do you think? Anyone gets shot down flying within 10 miles? Now that’s a true mark of an unrepentant moron. Now I’ll patiently await the bashing from PUTIN-POSSIE members and wanna-be’s. Sometimes its fun reading the responces searching for signs of intelligence.
1) Book: “Skunk Works” – The Russians were the first country to develop the concept of radar cross section circa the 1960s. The USA actually stole this information and Lockheed used it to develop the F-111a Stealth Fighter, which is why it’s airframe is at crazy angles.
2) Plasma can be developed in a “cold” fashion using high voltage, namely direct current high voltage. If any other means of high voltage were used, they’d be visible in their aircraft. The concept of injecting the plasma ahead of the craft is inane, it is actually more likely that they project a steady beam of static voltage ahead of the craft which ionizes the air. At high altitudes, they likely use some kind of on-board supply of noble gas (so it doesn’t corrode the body of the aircraft).
3) Plasma can be used for propulsion. While it’s very “cute” that they intend on using fuel guzzling fighters that have a retrofit (very cost effective), they haven’t at least publicized any use of their plasma equipment in direct propulsion:
a) it can be used to decrease turbulence by manipulating
airflow, and null out a sonic boom (added stealth and fuel efficiency).
b) it can electrostatically cool the exhaust by influencing
air flow (someone above already mentioned this).
But, most importantly, c) it can provide a direct means of propulsion through the ion wind effect, and some anomalous effects not fully explained by contemporary science. A solid, high k dielectric constant material will cause sinusoidal physical motion in a vacuum when stressed with a direct current high voltage field in a sandwich of asymmetrical capacitor plates. NASA has tested this in high vacuum, google it. The only two issues are
i) eliminating the sinusoidal movement and making it unidirectional (I believe this is a voltage waveform/stimulus time conundrum and materials problem only – one easily solved as well).
ii) finding a power supply light enough for such an air/spacecraft to power this kind of system.
It is highly likely that both the Russian and US military programs that developed the active stealth and stealth bomber, respectively, already know point 3c in the preceding paragraph and have such air/spacecraft in development. Stealth is old old news, and active stealth isn’t very advanced given the state of the art of cold plasma research in other areas, like propulsion. I would love to see what’s on the drawing board at Boeing or Lockheed these days, not what they developed almost 50 years ago now. Same with Russia. Too bad they’re too scared of the Chinese to let us know what’s cookin’! I bet it’s truly amazing.
Theres a lot of factual errors in the above partisan rantings.
1, Stealth was initially developed in Soviet Union but was openly published in scientific journals in the russian language (albeit obscure academic publications) and it was western scientists who turned that research into a working stealth aircraft. It needed advanced computer support to do so in the 60s and 70s which didnt exist in the USSR at the time.
2, Maharba says Something else, “did you knew that the F-35 has the technology of the yak-141 a plane from the 80’s?”. Well, old chap, if you knew anything about aviation you might have heard of the Hawker Harrier, from the 60’s, of which the Yak 141 was a direct (and very unsuccessful) rip-off.
3, Bill says “Even the English didn’t get their aircraft in combat except against the V-1 Buzzbombs because of the limited range of the jets at that time”. Well, no… we didnt want these (still experimental)service Meteors going too far over the continent in case we lost one and gifted the tech to any other country. Plus, they werent very agile, so still in their early stages.
Having developed the technology (the Germans did it independently), the British effectively handed all the tech over to our allies in the US and they developed the engines. The result was the P-59. The first jet vs jet engagement being a P-80 vs a Mig 15 in Korea in 1950. The Mig being powered by a copy of the RR Nene engine.
4, Stealth. Come on guys, think about this. Stealth is a radar cross section REDUCTION technology, its not magic invisibilty. You lot have been watching way too much Star Trek. The single F117 shot down shows its not magic…but only one aircraft downed after all those F117 missions?? I think that proves the technology is good enough eh?
The physics of the F117 mean that from some angles at least, radar will get a tiny reflection of something, be it the edge of a cockpit window or an open bomb bay door. But even 1970’s tech is pretty good, just imagine what they’ve got under wraps now!!
First of all Hats off to you for the latest technology in Air Supremacy.damn with America they dont have proper brain resource to make their own.They either kidnap scientist from Germany or rest Jewish brain.Continue to have a wonderful and eternal friendship with India as we vlue your realtionship.
Keep up the good work in science and technology.
Long Live India ,Long Live Russia
BRAHMOS bearing the witness of India and Russian friendship.
Plasma Stealth…..Let’s take a look at this logically.
FIRST, Plasma is superheated gas, that is what MAKES IT PLASMA. That would make the aircraft in question stand out like a sore thumb on ANYONE’S INFRARED targeting systems.
SECOND, If Plasma Stealth works by NULLING the RADAR signal of incoming/enemy aircraft…well here in lies the paradox. If the Plasma Stealth equipped bird trys using RADAR…his outgoing signal will be drastically reduced. What is left will hit the target..bounce back and be even FURTHER REDUCED TO NOTHING coming back through the field….making any of his targets invisible. So if he is going against an F-22 or F-35 which are already Stealth….well, he just made them even more Stealth. Plasma Stealth would be a hindrance to the user more than a help.
Red stars always win, did you knew that the stealth theory was developed by a Russian and America based his stealth planes on that tecnology, the name of this person is Pyotr Ufimtsev and did you knew that the Russians valued that this isn’t good for a plane because it’s looked by a radar at low frequency, remember yugoslavia and the f-117??
Something else, did you knew that the F-35 has the technology of the yak-141 a plane from the 80’s? and they show you that as the most amazing and new technology. America has not enough cientistics to make what the russians make have you seen the Topol-M? In the west it was considered impossible in ballistics. Bye to the DAM.
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Maharba…Yugoslavia shot down ONE F-117, ONE! NATO flew in and out of Yugoslavia using the same route every time! Considering how many thousands of sorties were flown, shooting down one stealth aircraft is pathetic.
Great looking plane above, but thrust vectoring was first demonstrated with the X-35 at the Paris Air Show years ago. More evidence of Russia checking out the US’s tech and copying it. That MiG looks like a cross between an F-16 and F-18. Smart idea when you think about it since they don’t have an abundance of money. Hell, even Putin was saying if they are lucky and smart, they MIGHT have the 6th best economy in the world down the road.
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HAT1701D
The passive seeking radars of MIG 35,Sukhoi 35 and Sukhoi MK1 enable the pilot to see the targets clearly because the functioning of the plasma device doesn’t interfere with the cross section of the plane’s radar.
(Plasma is not super heated gas.We all have plasma.If it were to be super heated,we would have melted.No life would have existed).
Plus the system draws in cool air and cools it further to spread a cool film of air around the body of the aircraft.So the plane is difficult to be sighted anyway.This naturally makes the plane’s radar more receptive and powerful.In other words,this plasma stealth system doesn’t make the enemy more invisible and doesn’t make the aircraft that uses plasma stealth more exposed.In this case the enemy stands exposed like a black sheep amidst a herd of white sheep.
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To: Syed Suhail Khalid
There are different meanings to the word plasma. One of them is the one you talked about, liquid substance inside us (like blood plasma, cytoplasm, etc). Plasma discussed here is the ionized gas. They just happened to have the same name.
To: HAT1701D
While true that one way to create Plasma is by heating, Plasma is not always very hot, since there’s even ultracold plasma on temperature of 1mK or lower. Well, fluorescent light generates plasma and they’re not that hot I think – though touching them is still too hot for my hand I suppose.
As a matter of fact the russians don’t need the Stealth. As in the war on the Balkans US stealth fighter F-117 was intercepted and hit by a 1960-1980 weapon system the radar used to track the “Invisible” plane was a 30 year old The Russian 1R13 radar system.
So what need of a Stealth super secret material and design when you will go down by a “Stick”…
i believe that the russians is the most powerfull country as ever.russia is always ahead in terms of military technoly than the US.they attact their enemy without the help of its allies that the american always do.
“Krasimir” the radar on that missile didn’t see the plane it was a blind shot. Read G’s post, “NATO flew in and out of Yugoslavia using the same route every time!” If you know where they will be and when they will be there you don’t need a tracking device to get them.
Anyway, I just wonder what happens when plasma goes into the jet engine. Most plasmas are hot and all plasmas are ionized (not blood plasma that’s a different meaning of the word) and I’m sure that would affect a lot of things.
Regardless, what happens in a cross wind? Does the cross wind blow away your plasma radar shield? Does the jet have a giant electromagnetic field (read: easily detected) surrounding it to keep the plasma next to the airframe?
The more I think about it, the more ridiculous this all sounds. Silly propaganda :\
Well number one: Mr Ufimtsev is the guy behind current US stealth technology. He published a book back in 1960’s regarding this subject, and that was actually a physics text book. Soviets never went on using that technology since it was too expencive and very unreliable. So please do a search on stealth and Ufimtsev,it was also featured on history channel, as for proofs please note several f-117 that were shut down in Ugoslavia.
Second of all: American engeeneers that have to deal with stealth technology have Ufimtsev as their Idol, and indeed they had a chance to meet him personally in 1990’s but to their dismay he layed out a simple solution to his own alogarithm that is used today in american stealth fighters, this method renders the whole technology absolete. Again coming back to reason why Soviets never applied this technology. Russian aircraft and air defence systems have been using counter technology to detect stealth as soon as Americans built 1st stealth aircraft. Look at production date of Mig-31 it was designed to intersept SR-71 and still is the fastest and highest flying plane.
As for plazma technology please refer to Janes (publishing leader on war technology and news, also most up to date database on military subject) According to Janes….. back in 1980’s several American aircraft carriers were overflown by TU-95 Bear (and that is a big bomber)that were not detected until they came in to visual range. Also later several fighter jets were flying over US navy vessels and again were not detected until seen. This caused a lot of stress on people in pentagon and a lot of pople were fired. Later it was published again by Janes that conclusing was that Russians did implement plazma technology on their bombers and fighter jets. This information was never made public but is available in reliable military publishings.
I hope i made it clear what is what. Yeh take a look at 1997 issue of newsweek and time magazine. There is 2 page article about F-22 raptor and right after that white on black 4 page article about Su-27. That would clear up soem issues about American stealth and brute Russian approach to things.
Besides please note that F-22 entered production 5 years after Sukhoi entered service. F-22 is equiped with russian ejection seats, and it’s thrust vectoring is limited only to vertical vectoring where mig-29, mig-35 and su-30 su-32 su-35 su-37 have ability to vector in any direction.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/04/24/213364/picture-russian-sukhoi-t-50-fighter-images-emerge.html
Dude the F-22 has the engines copied from the russian jet fighters and they only started using them now but in Russia they have perfected them
the maneuverability only can go up and down left or right on the F-22 both sides of the back of the engine at once while on the Russian fighters including MiG-MFI they can flip one side up and the other down making it much more maneuverable and easier to do barrel rolls and with the plasma stealth technology on board that fighter, that becomes one hell of a fighter with cosmic speeds making it able to fly around the world in a couple minutes that’s right minutes not hours
all this while i thought the USA were far ahead of Russia, in terms of jet technology. reading these comments, i am convinced that in good economic times Russia can do more than the USA. Russia can partner a rich countries like China to create jet planes which can rival or overtake the F-22 or the Euro Fighter.
Question: are the Russian stealth planes in use or under construction?
as of now, they are still in the development stage or so they claim. you might not know whether they already have it. besides, deception is a key to any war as the art of war states. as a forecast, i would say that fighters or strike aircrafts may even push further to the ionosphere to be even more effective in evading detection.
You guys are talking way too much on things you have only heard about.The Russians didn’t develop any stealth fighter yet because they have seen its disadvantages in development costs, maintainability, price, etc. already at the American aircrafts.Me if I was an expert in such a domain I would rather develop new generation radars than stealth airframes.Besides the plasma stealth I’ve heard rumors that the Russians are considering a new type of radar capable to detect an aircraft by the turbulence it creates or the broken natural airflows by the hot jet exhaust, so radars are evolving as well, not only the airframes, I don’t know if the Americans did consider this before stating that “the F-22 can’t be matched by any known or projected plane”.Regards
WTF man im from Macedonia which was part from Yugoslavia,what kind of an idiot you have to be to think that someone will shoot a missile in an empty space,hoping it will make the shot at the right time so that you can shoot down a stealth aircraft.Its like shooting a sniper rifle and youve been LEGALY BLIND! trough out your whole life.So please RANDOM GUY dont make such a stupid comments,please for fuck sake.To make long story short the F117 actually showed on te radar,how i dont know? but it did so they stick an old ground to air missile up his butt,try to flew the mighty Raptor F22 trough a field that is surrounded with the newest Russian radars and SAM’s.If USA would have to invade,or bring peace,whatever you guys call it just to justife your cause for going into war,and that country surpose to be a 3rd world country equiped with the most advanced Russian Radars and SAM’s,I’ll guarantee you that USA will chicken out!you dont get iven near close to that place and not being shot down,so tuff luck.
Another thing do you think that russians will come out with what they claim Plasma stealth 5th gen fighters claiming that it will challenge the USA’s 5th gen fighters or surpass and after so many claims and finally signing a deal to produce them with other partners they will FAIL ON THE END?
Failing means losing bussines for good do you think that thats what the Russian scientist were doing while working on the plasma stealth?
Yes they were eating MCDonalds instead of doing their job,this bashing bullshit over the russians its incredible,but when they bring the punc it will be powerfull I guarantee you that.The only time Russian jets were shot down by USA jets was during middle east war back in the 80’s and in kosovo,not iven one mig 21 or 29 was properly functional due to the goverment not having funds to maintain them.The MIG 29 serbian pilot that got shot down by an Swedish F15 or F16 not sure which one he flew knowing his mig has no functional radar,it means he flew blind knowing he will die,he did that so that as a captain he didnt want to send younger kid to die!!!!
India vs USA friendly dog fight that was held in India,blue force F-15 vs red force Su-30 and Mig-21,USA lost by India 10:1.Lets see what the Russians come up with,and no need for waithing they will surprise the world again.
Friends,
1. The story of F-117 in Yugoslavia is secret one on both sides, because the local commander of the small air defence unit was an ethnic Hungarian engineer(difficult fact to swallow for the Serbs). However the guy has made a large interview in Hungary. Needless to say, it was not a blind shot, he organized an all-day disciplined and well prepared radaring in his small local unit using their outdated but reliable Russian stuff. Suddenly they discovered the Amies and they immediately shot them off. So simple is it. In the third word however (Iraq, Syria, Iran)local commanders are simply undereducated and passive to organize such a high-level 24 hours service. (The guy told later that he considered the detection of F-117 a professional challenge :-)soundz pretty European.
2. The Chinese took the F-117 to their Belgrade embassy for research (thats why it was bombed by US). Anyway, now China has the technology and the new materials to build its own (perfected) F-117. They don’t rush with this project.
3. The reason why China is not mass-producing aircraft carriers and stealth bombers, is that there is a long-lasting and bitter debate about their use in the highest mlitary command. Late 2008 a Russian SU-bomber (equipped with cutting edge “plasma technology”) flew over a US aircraft carrier in the Pacific (ask Google), practically showing that aircraft carriers are swimming coffins nowadays.
4. I am from a free and reasonaly rich European country previously occupied by the Soviets. We don’t have any nostalgy of the past, but one has to admit that the quality of Russian basic research is vry high indeed. The actual development (military or civil) is the weak point. Now lets see what Putin can finance for its army (falling oil prices) and what Obama can give to the Pentagon (economic meltdown)…..China…well…they seem to be the winners of the game, in the short term at least.
5. Finally, technology is not everything. When US faced first world nations (for instance, poor communist countries like China, Vietnam, Korea with proper mass education, industry and basic infrastructure) the army was defeated. Whenever USArmy meets third world nations (rich oil countries without mass education, industry and proper civil infrastructure), the green necks win the war. Educated, disciplined people with high moral are victorious against the finest technology.
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Krasimir: F117 stealth is also of 1960’s/70’s technologies. Loosing one during thousands of successfull missions would be considered extremely high even using your math. Anti gravity machines used since WWII leaves even the F22/35 obsolete, before they even began 15-20 years ago. These advance technologies are only cover for the much larger pictures. Wake up.
@Janos
Where did you get some of your “facts”? You’re totally wrong about your aircraft carrier claim. A Tu-95 indeed flew over an US aircraft carrier (the Nimitz) in international waters but the Tu was equipped with no plasma stealth tech; it showed up on the Radars and was escorted by F/A-18 jets during his flight over the Nimitz
@B
you forgot to mention that unlike the “red force” (Su / Migs), the F-15s had no AWACS on their side which is quite a big drawback, don’t you think so? 🙂
russian plasma theory isnt a realistic one for fighters or fast planes. as i have red on other sites the hot plasma will leave a high heat signature, so the only option is the cold plasma. the drawback on the cold plasma tho is it cant stand long on supersonic speed unless it goes on high altitude flights or subsonic speed on low altitude flights like the bombers.
To:Dura Lex
You are the person that is wrong sir, I am Australian, and even I have heard that a plasma stealthed aircraft overflew an American Carrier without being detected, and as for the F-117 story It was my understanding as that it was spam AA fire that brought it down, not for the fact it was targeted, regardless the F-117 is not invisible to radar as most would seem to believe, it fluctuates in and out of radar scanners…
Btw, One shot down F-117 which cost a billion dollars compared to Yugoslavias smashed infrastructure military and economic parties… I’m pretty sure that was a very good effort on behalf of the United States.
All new tech seems like science fiction when it is firs released. Plasma stealth is just emerging. By the way it is not temperature that gives plasma its properties althought super heating gas is how plasma was discovered. Saying that American stealth planes are the best means that you are buying into capitalist propaganda (communists arn’t the only people who use propoganda). btw forgive my shpelling I am writing this on my iPod. The USA has had its time in the sun and while the sun sets in one country it rises in another, possibly several others. Before anybody calls me a communist, I’m not. i’m a socialist. If you say that they are the same thing then you are a blind Republican pig. Using that logic capitalism is the same as Facism.
I am from serbia and I am reading here a lot of bull… I can tell you that!
Can anyone tell me how many planes American lost during bombing of Serbia?Except F-117?
one stealth plane shot down compared to a destroyed country?i guess america won this one again..
under the present and previous administration in the USA…they keep cutting back and their techonlogy is way too old..might be rich as a superpower..to me is about 35 year behind the Russians
Russian military technology we all know is mighty, but to launch an offancive to another country the us is probaly best, Russia operate currently 1 carrier, and probaly dosnt need anymore than 2, planned to be build.
One also have to consider that Russia does not currently operate an 5’th gen. fighter. and the us has manny, as for the stealth technology, it can always be detected, a stealth plane is not invinsible, The B2 has been detected manny times by passive radars on low to medium hight flights.
But then again in flight of a mission things will be diffrent.
As for the F-117 it was shot down by an old Russian modyfied 1963 S-125 Neva, Pechora system.
For the plasma stealth, it is problematic to this date, to create a shield for an intire airframe needs lots of power, and would not be adviceble when it comes to IR.
Russian aircrafts Mig-29smt and Su-35 operates or tested a small plasma generator to its front and back radar, these is syncronized to the radars change of ms. so it wont bend your own radar signals. Due to newer projects as SU-35BM or comming PAK-FA I do not currently hold any information, but it is discussed widely on the internet.
It would come to me as a suprice if Russians acualy inplented plasma stealth to a TU-95 or an TU-160.
Also reminder that the time of intercept of US aircarriers and ect. Its not during high alert, and Russia and US is not at war. Its like a game, and exerzise for Russian pilots. if at high alert an TU-95 / TU-160 dosnt need to fly close to an carrier to shoot it down, i bet both sided took out theyr cameras and took pictures, i know the Russian pilots did.
Manny greate technology invented by Soviet/Russia has after the Soviet fall come to an suprice and wonder to the americans. like RD-170 engines, mind controll, just to mention a few.
In US everything coasts alot to create, but Russians everything is cheaper to design, but for every event or technology invented by US, Russia always found a way around and got theyr things to work.
I think the cold war is over and both sides sould not go backwards like US inplenting ABM systems near Russias boarder. It only result in a buldup of nuclear rearmament like Topol-M. And breaking up the neutral/good relationship with both sides.
As for Russian technology its currently flowering, since Puting took over everything is better and the military budget has raised with ower 60 %. Russia now exports to varius of countrys establing good relationship and respect around the world.
I have my doubts about this plasma system for the simple reason, If Russia had a device that could hide any airplane then why are they designing their new aircraft to resemble the U.S. stealth aircraft? I have seen images of the new Russian fighter and it looks alot like an F-22. Everyone knows that U.S. stealth planes require computers to just keep them in the air so why would you use the design if you could just “mask” a SU-37?
Russian aircraft overfly U.S. ships in Sea of Japan
Two Russian Ilyushin IL-38 maritime patrol aircraft flew over the aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis on Monday, Stars and Stripes has learned.
The next day, two Russian “Bear” aircraft flew over the Stennis and command and control ship USS Blue Ridge more than once. In both incidents, the Russian aircraft were escorted by F/A-18 Hornets until they left the area.
The Navy is not concerned by the Russians’ actions because they were carried out professionally, according to international law, and in international waters and airspace, a Navy official said.
Read Hunt for zero point, F117 is 1970 tech. Russian/sino can only reverse engineer. Ask the Germans. Orah!!
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I am constantly amazed at you American dudes.You try to argue scientific principles and lose your audience(and your arguments) by your shocking spelling and your poor grammar.You are not technicians,scientists or engineers.Those guys know how to spell. You reveal yourselves as toothless redneck dirt farmers who occasionally leaf through a back issue of popular mechanics in the dentist’s waiting room whilst suffering from inflamed gums. Russia is now, and has for most of last century been a super-power and to its great credit is blessed with the ability to think differently to us in the west.Throughout the so called cold war they would constantly delight your western allies(that’s your NATO partners, Canada, England,Australia,South Africa and all the other countries that stand by you politically in the world arena and despise you in private.The U.S.was in awe of the humble T.34,but was gob-smacked by the soviet I.S.3 tanks of the Soviets.It took you an Embarrassingly long time to make a match for it. Your allies laughed at you. When you entered the Korean war you were once again shocked to encounter Jets from the Soviets.Then you found out that they had jets before you did.I mean even us Australians had been flying jets during ww2.in some English squadrons.Once again we laughed behind your back.Then Sputnik, we laughed. Then Laika, we laughed. Then Gagarin, then Treshkova. So you decide to go to the moon. But at the time your rockets kept crashing. The whole world laughed so loud we could no longer hide it.As we know the Russians had no intention of going to the moon, although they could have,at any time before you.You bored the world silly with your attempts to make an S.S.T. Concordski lands at Farnborough for an air show. The whole world laughed. You did not have a working plan for S.S.T. despite the billions spent.The list just goes on and on (reactive armour,Hind,AK.47, MiG.25 fox-bat)Astounding achievements that have rocked the world,changed it for the better as it turned out,and I have no doubt the Russians will continue to do this ad-infinitum, because they are remarkable and original thinkers,and up with modern times,whilst you guys on this page are still mired in 1950’s paranoia and conservatism.I,for one and I am not alone in this can’t wait for the Literature the is Going to come from Russia,and the music and art.Just like it did for centuries before Stalin and Beria.And you guys from the former eastern bloc,start expecting support from unexpected places, because the world does find America and Americans tiresome. the cold war is over,Science and good engineering is not.A little footnote to the U.S. If we had not committed so many billions of dollars into R and D on the joint strike fighter, we would seriously be buying Russian fighters.any fool can see they have superior handling .Australia might still, if the Americans do to us again what they did with the F-111’s in the sixties. The Canadians might join us as well. Take heed
You aussies can’t even put out a fire! Laugh at that!JACKASS
Steven,
You might want to do some basic research before you start saying things like the Soviets had no plans on going to the moon. They certainly did have plans which is why they developed the N1 rocket. Which I might add, also failed several times. The American’s Saturn V rocket never failed a single time. The Russins declassified a bunch of information on their moon program in the 1990s.
Also, the Americans were flying jets in WWII, look at the introduction of the P-80 in 1945. It was simply too early for any country to actually get them into combat. (Even the English didn’t get their aircraft in combat except against the V-1 Buzzbombs because of the limited range of the jets at that time.)
As for Korea, yes, the US was suprised by their introduction of the Mig-15. However, the Americans already had the P-80 and F-84 flying in Korea at that time. The Mig-15 forced them to bring in the F-86 as well. One other thing, the Soviets didn’t fly their first jet powered aircraft until 1946… four years AFTER the Americans flew the P-59 Airacomet and two years after the P-80 went into service.
Also, what are you trying to say about the SST? The Concordski Tu-144 actually crashed in Farnborough, if you review your history! The British/French built the Concorde which flew for decades. The Americans stopped development of their program when they actually did the math and realized that they couldn’t make money flying it. The British/French governments funded all the Concordes, which never made enough money to cover their costs. The Soviets did develop their Tu-144 and actually few it in service, but it was for a very short time. Obviously, they never made any money on it either.
I could go on and on, but it doesn’t matter, both sides produced amazing technologies to counter each other and we all live in a world that benefits from it.
Bill
You guys! The reason why the yanks lost against India during the exercise is because they have to lose. They do not want further advancement by any other nations so that they keep their edge. Also that is the reason why they cannot show any of the black program or share “black” technologies with any other nations including allies of the US. Also they would rather make people think that the Russians are ahead because it is like a sucker punch to the face on the Russians. Yeah believe that the Russians have an edge because that’s exactly what happened in the Korean war. Lots of Russian planes were shot down. West means for every plane shot down, 10 Russian planes will go down. One other thing it’s good economics for the fat dicks in the US defence industry because paranoia in the public eye means more money funded for them. Also you pricks talk about Aussies not being able to put out fires.. that’s low. You yanks also have the same problem. As for a single F117 being shot down.. Come on! That’s just one! How stupid are you guys?? Anyways the Russians are starting to change their ways from their very dark past but we will always keep tabs on what they do as we do not want a repeat of what happened. The yanks on the other hand also have a very dark past that also the world knows about. Anyways all the money that were spent on military use could have saved the whole planet from being hurt as it is today. Russia and allies plus US and allies are all guilty as hell. If you want to live longer and see your children grow up properly then stop all wars and stop the development of any military weapons. Unlikely? If we can build it, we can also dismantal it. Peace to you all! You all bleed red blood and all have the ability to love. Why couldn’t we just make a plasma love machine or stealth love plane? How about a love carrier? Love missile? Anti kill tank, kiss bullet, hug gas?? Haha
OooooWaaa… lot of stupid on here. Soviet Union broke up because it was a bad idea. They lost the race to the moon because they couldn’t develop the heavy lift/guidance technology quickly enough, to go half baked, bad idea. Sure, they had their moments, T34 greatest tank ever, all factors considered. Russian avionics are highly developed, they build the most agile fighters known to man, but its a dead end. Air combat has changed. Myth- Russian radar can “see” stealth. Bullshit. If that were the case, dozens of F117’s would be in pieces, there were 40-60 units operating of the type that hit the ONE lost F117, most likely because the lazy pilot opened his bomb bay door to early. Plasma is the forth state of matter, so for the idiots:
“Plasma consists of a collection of free moving electrons and ions – atoms that have lost electrons. Energy is needed to strip electrons from atoms to make plasma. The energy can be of various origins: thermal, electrical, or light (ultraviolet light or intense visible light from a laser). With insufficient sustaining power, plasmas recombine into neutral gas.” There… one must continuously supply the energy to maintain plasma, and unfortunately, ALL these forms of energy are READILY detectable…end of story. Anyone foolish enough to field a plasma stealth fighter will soon discover why it was never done before. Bad idea. Doesn’t matter…U.S. Stealth is merely a stepping stone. If you aren’t actively working on a stealth unmanned combat drone, you are already dead. They will be passive, and they will kill any emitting radar as soon as it turns on.
So much hype- so little science. Topol M, Russians are far ahead on solid rocket motor technology, but a defense evading warhead is over-stating the case. Yes, the warhead can change course after seperation, this defeats early, trajectory-predicting terminal phase ABM technology, but NOT current powered and guided interceptors. They’ve built a missile to defeat our best no longer used 20 year old never fielded technology. Woopee. As for laser proof? Prove it. Current chemical heavy lasers put 155-250 calories/mm2, generating 10k deg enough to melt titanium. That warhead would pretty much need to be solid to withstand more than a few seconds worth, and the supersonic melted blowoff would drastically alter the flightpath (this has been studied and tested, unlike the Topol M’s vaunted laser proof label), while absorbed heat would likely fuse the electronics or the nuclear detonator. Decoys however, are still a problem.
SST’s weren’t developed because…SUPRISE! Bad idea. B58 hustler and B70 Valkrie gave us all the flight test data we needed. And how many SST’s are flying today? My oh my why aren’t all the world’s airlines full of them? That’s right…bad idea. As for overflights of U.S. carriers…happens all the time…hell I could rent a crop-duster and do it myself! What do you think? Anyone gets shot down flying within 10 miles? Now that’s a true mark of an unrepentant moron. Now I’ll patiently await the bashing from PUTIN-POSSIE members and wanna-be’s. Sometimes its fun reading the responces searching for signs of intelligence.
1) Book: “Skunk Works” – The Russians were the first country to develop the concept of radar cross section circa the 1960s. The USA actually stole this information and Lockheed used it to develop the F-111a Stealth Fighter, which is why it’s airframe is at crazy angles.
2) Plasma can be developed in a “cold” fashion using high voltage, namely direct current high voltage. If any other means of high voltage were used, they’d be visible in their aircraft. The concept of injecting the plasma ahead of the craft is inane, it is actually more likely that they project a steady beam of static voltage ahead of the craft which ionizes the air. At high altitudes, they likely use some kind of on-board supply of noble gas (so it doesn’t corrode the body of the aircraft).
3) Plasma can be used for propulsion. While it’s very “cute” that they intend on using fuel guzzling fighters that have a retrofit (very cost effective), they haven’t at least publicized any use of their plasma equipment in direct propulsion:
a) it can be used to decrease turbulence by manipulating
airflow, and null out a sonic boom (added stealth and fuel efficiency).
b) it can electrostatically cool the exhaust by influencing
air flow (someone above already mentioned this).
But, most importantly, c) it can provide a direct means of propulsion through the ion wind effect, and some anomalous effects not fully explained by contemporary science. A solid, high k dielectric constant material will cause sinusoidal physical motion in a vacuum when stressed with a direct current high voltage field in a sandwich of asymmetrical capacitor plates. NASA has tested this in high vacuum, google it. The only two issues are
i) eliminating the sinusoidal movement and making it unidirectional (I believe this is a voltage waveform/stimulus time conundrum and materials problem only – one easily solved as well).
ii) finding a power supply light enough for such an air/spacecraft to power this kind of system.
It is highly likely that both the Russian and US military programs that developed the active stealth and stealth bomber, respectively, already know point 3c in the preceding paragraph and have such air/spacecraft in development. Stealth is old old news, and active stealth isn’t very advanced given the state of the art of cold plasma research in other areas, like propulsion. I would love to see what’s on the drawing board at Boeing or Lockheed these days, not what they developed almost 50 years ago now. Same with Russia. Too bad they’re too scared of the Chinese to let us know what’s cookin’! I bet it’s truly amazing.
Theres a lot of factual errors in the above partisan rantings.
1, Stealth was initially developed in Soviet Union but was openly published in scientific journals in the russian language (albeit obscure academic publications) and it was western scientists who turned that research into a working stealth aircraft. It needed advanced computer support to do so in the 60s and 70s which didnt exist in the USSR at the time.
2, Maharba says Something else, “did you knew that the F-35 has the technology of the yak-141 a plane from the 80’s?”. Well, old chap, if you knew anything about aviation you might have heard of the Hawker Harrier, from the 60’s, of which the Yak 141 was a direct (and very unsuccessful) rip-off.
3, Bill says “Even the English didn’t get their aircraft in combat except against the V-1 Buzzbombs because of the limited range of the jets at that time”. Well, no… we didnt want these (still experimental)service Meteors going too far over the continent in case we lost one and gifted the tech to any other country. Plus, they werent very agile, so still in their early stages.
Having developed the technology (the Germans did it independently), the British effectively handed all the tech over to our allies in the US and they developed the engines. The result was the P-59. The first jet vs jet engagement being a P-80 vs a Mig 15 in Korea in 1950. The Mig being powered by a copy of the RR Nene engine.
4, Stealth. Come on guys, think about this. Stealth is a radar cross section REDUCTION technology, its not magic invisibilty. You lot have been watching way too much Star Trek. The single F117 shot down shows its not magic…but only one aircraft downed after all those F117 missions?? I think that proves the technology is good enough eh?
The physics of the F117 mean that from some angles at least, radar will get a tiny reflection of something, be it the edge of a cockpit window or an open bomb bay door. But even 1970’s tech is pretty good, just imagine what they’ve got under wraps now!!
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First of all Hats off to you for the latest technology in Air Supremacy.damn with America they dont have proper brain resource to make their own.They either kidnap scientist from Germany or rest Jewish brain.Continue to have a wonderful and eternal friendship with India as we vlue your realtionship.
Keep up the good work in science and technology.
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