how much humanitarian aid has russia or china or india or austrailia passed out? china left the hatians 1 million in aid. the usa gave over 100 million, plus another 70 plus million in money raised by it’s citizens, plus all the military equipment being used to get it there. where is everybody else? yeah, usa the war mongronals. everybody laughs at the usa behind our backs. what a joke. we are having to reinforce our borders to keep people out. i don’t see people moving to russia or china. they are having to force people to stay. china won’t even let it’s citizens browse the internet without sensoring it.
Every one looks at the plane and its capabilities.
I look at the pilot and am amazed.
The Russians are notorious for having extraordinary pilots.
In every war they have participated they have excelled.
Fear not the machine but the skill behind it. Behind the outstanding aircraft Russian technology there are truly remarkable pilots.
God bless the American pilots. And they will need truly that blessing because the Russian bear has mighty claws.
The author of this article is incompetent. He first writes that the plasma absorbs the wave from the radar, then he writes that the plasma causes a secondary reflection.
Too many trolls here.
But to address the latest, airtime.
1) The F-22 has been in service since 2005, not 1997.
2) The F-22 still suffers from many mechanical, structural, and electronic flaws so that it is still in a “debugging” phase. The plane is not combat-ready, or else you would see it all over international US AFBs and participating in combat missions. The plane’s acquisition and maintenance costs are through the roof. It cannot stay in the air for more than a bit less than 2 hours. At the moment, it’s just one huge boondoggle used for little more than USAF and military PR.
Let’s wait until the F-22 is combat-ready before we start trolling Russians for a plane that probably won’t suffer the infinite problems the F-22 still has.
According to the Serbs (then Yugoslavia), 2 F-117s were shot down, one heavily damaged (and most likely scrapped). Even when the first one was shot down, the Pentagon denied it. It wasn’t until the Yugoslavians made a whole documentary about it that the US military accepted it. However, once you shot down one, why the need to publicize others? In fact, we lie about all aircraft losses. We only claim 4 aircraft losses, upon dozens and dozens we may have truly lost. Serb numbers are upwards of 70. We even lost planes due to Serbian raids on NATO air bases, and also in air-to-air combat.
So why the lies? It’s a part of military operational security. The US military denies equipment losses, even casualties. And of course any dead soldier that wasn’t KIA, but was wounded or became sick in the field and died later on, is not listed as a casualty. In COIN operations (like GWOT), most deaths will come from wounds after having been taken out of the combat scenario. God knows, we could have at least 1.5 times more casualties if WIAs who died even hours or days after being wounded were counted in. Additionally, when a country that makes itself to be God on the world stage is failing against a country of less than 10 million people with ancient weapon systems, it is a huge embarrassment. When we realized we couldn’t defeat the Yugoslavians, we started attacking civilian targets. Big macho US military attacking civilians now because they’re getting beat by tiny Serbia. Oh God help humanity.
On the other side of the coin, Russian operational security regarding equipment is hiding the actual numbers. No one knows how many T-90s or Su-34s have been constructed or are in service.
Just my 2 cents.
Another note for the ignoramuses on here:
The first F-117 was shot down 3 days into combat. It wasn’t as if F-117s had flown 238049238049 sorties already, in fact, they flew comparatively flew out of the ~30,000 total. Very few. And in only the first few days, we can’t expect there to have been that many at all. Also, any bomber / fighter-bomber aircraft was supported by EWF aircraft, like the Prowler. Meaning that the F-117 REALLY failed against ancient radar and SAM systems used by the Yugoslavians. Stealth was no problem for them, let’s consider the Russians with undoubtedly the finest air defense systems in the world. It would be a duckhunt like no other.
Oh, the PAC-3, one may say? That was based upon the S-300V developed in the 1960s if you don’t know that. One was taken from a former Warsaw Pact country (it was probably an export version, to be further precise), examined and tested, and used to develop the PAC-3. So basically, the PAC-3 is a SAM system on a level with Soviet ones in the late 60s / early 70s.
Who gives a damn about the developments of solid rocket motor tech. For what the cost it takes to deliver a pound of payload to space is it not time to blast ahead of this old out dated delivery system? Send science searching for a less expensive, dangerous, reliable technology, over a leading edge tech. We have gone as far as we are going to go on rockets, & tax dollars supporting it. It is kind of like an internal combustioned engine, time to leap ahead. Read hunt for zero point as I keep rambling on about, & watch your skies. Be proud of man, not some self esteem blowing alien bullshit. The Russians see them all the time because we are there.
sorry but didnt the nazis invented the jet engines AND developped the rocket tech AND invented stealth tech?isnt because of em we have all these now? even the A-Bomb was developped by germans.Both US and Russia during cold war tried to take whatever they could from the debris of a destroyed country. Difference is that the Russians developped even further while US produced more. What Russia lost in territories after the wall collapsed, it gained in internal control. They aare far more innovative than their counterparts in US mostly because they care about efficiency when in USA ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY….
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if u wanna be called macedonian u should learn greek. Alexander as far as i know was speaking greek not slav. Think abit ur politics are trying to find a way through to medditerrenean sea. Thats what all about.
Thanx guyz for ur time
The U.S. has wonderful software and advanced materials (better composites and higher quality steels).
But Russia has always had better engineered planes. Takes one look at a Mig-29 or Su-27, with barely any avionics computing power, compared to a hyper-computerized F-22 to see what I mean.. these are 1980’s airplanes that can outperform even a JSF, by a huge margin, with less electronics and avionics. Aircraft like the F-22 depend on their thrust vectoring and software to do even a basic cobra maneuver.. but that’s just a crutch. As usual they’re going to pimp-out their designs instead of refine them, and you’re going to have 30 year old airplanes shooting these overcomplicated 100+ million dollar machines. (can anyone say Kosovo? Vietnam? etc?)
Its just pathetic…
the americans copy and paste everything.their reverse engineering is second only 2 china.do you even know that a russian gave the mathematical principle was a russian.your lead man in the space program was von braun a captured german.so quit showing off about your greatness and give people the credit and praise for research being done at a small fraction of the money being given to others.then people will respect you.
@Gorky: see ‘nam and Korea kill ratios below (under @matt). the F-4 was considered by US pilots an inferior plane to the MiG-21s it fought. Many F-4 Phantom pilots say if they were flying Mig-21s and the enemy pilots were in the F-4 Phantoms, F-4s would have littered the countryside.
@SatAnash: Efficiency is the cost-effectiveness of the product. this means that if the US is concerned about $$$ and russia isn’t, then only the US is concerned about efficiency. the russian policy is commonality and massive waves of inefficient forces. Stalin stated it well, “Quantity has a quality all of its own”
@Matt: A Pugachev Cobra is a high-stress, high-drag maneuver that can only be safely carried out by the most maneuverable of planes. It is also purely an air-show maneuver, and there are no recorded incidents of the cobra being used during a dogfight. ever. this is because it kills all energy and leaves the plane a sitting duck for even the least experienced B-17 pilot. if you were familiar with aviation, you would never mention the maneuver in a serious discussion. In Korea, Sabre pilots achieved a ~10-1 kill ratio, when there were never more than 150 Sabres in theater throughout the war compared to 600 MiG-15s (half of which are russian-piloted, the other half are chinese/vietnamese piloted. And this was over enemy territory, where there existed only enemy ground facilities (radar and SAM), AND where communist pilots had to just fly a few minutes north over the Yalu river and land if in trouble, while US pilots had a long flight of hundreds of miles south with MiGs on their tail as long as fuel and ammo premitted before they were over allied ground. In Vietnam, while initially poor, F-4 pilots achieved a 13-1 kill ratio, and later in the war, even a 22-1 ratio. I don’t think mentioning those wars helps the pro-ruskie arguement.
@sri: first of all, use proper capitilization. much easier to read. Second, Russia was the reverse-engineering guru during the cold war. Even the russian Tu-4 was a carbon copy of the B-29s, which russia obtained for interceptor trials of the MiG-15.
Russia has never given it’s most advanced military designs to anyone. The US and Russia for the most part are near equal in advanced military hardware design – both have some advanced desgins that the other doesn’t. The final test will be a war with Russia and it is coming soon. Russia is building a massive modern military force in all areas. Russia is the worlds leading producer of oil and gas and those money’s are now being put into an enormous and secretive military. The West has a problem of not seeing what is coming. The street fighter bully (USA) does not realize that the kid it has been picking on is just about to get his black belt (Russia). Anyways – Catholic Mystics say that Russia is about to attack the West in a massive surprise attack that the West does not see coming. We win in the end they say but over 3/4 of the world dies in this coming WWIII.
Supposedly this WWIII is actually in two parts, the first is Russia sweeps through Europe as a surprise to the United Nations and the American NATO forces, but the Russians are defeated. But then later, I think 3 years, China joins up with the remnants of Russia military and does the same thing again. During these 2 attacks 3/4th of the worlds population dies…from what? Nuclear war.
Regardless if these prophecies come to past, the sad part is that I, an American, have no problem with the Russian people. I believe that we, the common people, of these two countries could get along with one another if it weren’t for the rulers of our countries who are very corrupt. I visited Moscow back in the early 90’s and had a great time, I found the people there to be very warm and curious about Americans as I was of them; I never had an unpleasant conversation with any Russian while I was there.
I believe the biggest threat to world peace is not Russia or the USA, but oil! Sometime, someone will attack another nation for oil, and the fastest growing economy with the fastest growing need for oil in the world is China. I believe it will be China that does all the surprising, and I believe that Russia will be deceived by the Chinese and go along with an attack to secure the oil; in other words China will use Russia for their own gain, and when Russia is no longer needed China will destroy Russia. Russian history will repeat itself just as it did in WWII after Germany broke their pack with Russia, and in the end Russia lost an estimated 21 million people in that war. China believes that it is their time to be the number 1 world power, and their on a fast track to accomplish that goal; they still need more time to build up a military that can take on the USA, but when it feels ready it will strike with Russia beside them. The USA has no powerful ally, look at the lame NATO countries we have, they couldn’t muster up enough forces to help us in Iraq with Britain fielding the most at 46,000 troops and the second largest was South Korea with 3,600, the rest gave a 1,000 here a 100 here etc…gee thanks NATO. What NATO country will rush to our aid if we’re attacked? the same that rushed to our aid when Hurricane Katrina destroyed New Orleans…NONE!! With friends like we have in NATO who needs enemy’s!
I hope that if Russia sweeps through Europe that the USA just say’s to NATO: “So sorry but Academy Awards are on tonight, you’ll just have to defend yourselves!”
Hey all you Guys! Is there a good things on this? After all they are all killing machines. Its better to develop technology that is beneficial to human kind. Why not develop a tehcnology that replaces to oil energy? as it is the primary requirement of transportation. A unlimited source of energy to power lights and appliances and equipments. Why not think of a car, and jet plane flying without need of oil. I think Thats a great idea that this nations should focus on. Or better these two nations go to war so the world may know who has the best killing machines.
Hey all you Guys! Is there a good things on this? After all they are all killing machines. Its better to develop technology that is beneficial to human kind. Why not develop a tehcnology that replaces to oil energy? as it is the primary requirement of transportation. A unlimited source of energy to power lights and appliances and equipments. Why not think of a car, and jet plane flying without need of oil. I think Thats a great idea that this nations should focus on. Or better these two nations go to war so the world may know who has the best killing machines. ITS SAD.
Has a U.S. Navy carrier battle group ever been engaged or attacked by either nuclear submarines, and/or supersonic bombers carrying super-sonic anti-shipping missiles? No.
Yes, a CVN battle group is more than a fearsome enemy; it´s probably one of the most powerful combat formations ever assembled in the history of war.
But that does not mean it can not be defeated.
Those who think it´s impossible to attack and even sink a nuclear carrier should open their eyes just a little bit. Anything that floats on water can be sunk; all you have to do is fill it with water and it will go down.
Remember the Falklands War, where a bunch of Argentinian pilots badly mauled the Royal Navy task force with only a few exocets sinking important British ships, and damaging others. And that was something nobody did expect from the Argentinians.
The Falklands War is the last truly “significant” naval battle in history -although the Argentinians fought mainly with their air force-. It of course gets dwarfed by Naval Warfare of WWII, say, in the Pacific, where the U.S. Navy steam-rolled over the Japanese, but it is a significant example of how a branch -Air Force- of a third world country led by an incompetent and corrupt military sent the Naval Task force of a world power back home with one eye badly bruised and swollen lips.
That was the first time the Royal Navy´s capabilities were put to test in battle since World War II, and its performance was mediocre at best. Yes, in the end the Argentinians lost, but it was due to a combination of the utter stupidity corruption and incompetence of the military government and lack of support.
The U.S. Navy has never been put to serious test since WWII. Yes, it has played critical roles in Korea, Vietnam, and more recently in the Iraq-Afghanistan area…but those countries had nothing to really challenge or threat the Navy.
The day the U.S. Navy CVNs groups are engaged by the armed forces of a power, is when you will really now. And today Russia is the main heavy weight, both from below and from above: they have nuclear submarines, and their air force has The Tu-160 and Tu-22M3 supersonic bombers that are cleared to carry nuclear and conventional supersonic anti-shipping missiles. You can read articles about some truly scary supersonic cucumbers the Russians have in service in their inventory, that once launched at a target, they are nearly impossible to be stopped or destroyed.
I know: you will say but those submarines and bombers will NEVER get close enough to attack our carriers. And i ask: how do you know?
How many times in history has a given weapon, defense/attack system or tactic that was presented as either “perfect”, “flawless”, or “impossible to defeat” got thrashed once it got to the battlefield, or performed way below its expectations?
In WWII, the designers of the Norden bombsight fitted to the B-17 claimed their sight “could drop bombs into pickle barrels”. Once the bombers fitted with such sight started operating it was discovered it had an “error” margin that could reach hundreds and hundreds of meters.
The Falklands War is the last truly “significant” naval battle in history -although the Argentinians fought mainly with their air force-. It of course gets dwarfed by Naval Warfare of WWII, say, in the Pacific, where the U.S. Navy massive task forces steam-rolled over the Japanese, but it is a significant example of how a branch -Air Force- of a third world country led by an incompetent and corrupt military sent the Naval Task force of a world power back home with one eye badly bruised and swollen lips.
That was the first time the Royal Navy´s capabilities were put to test in battle since World War II, and its performance was mediocre at best. Yes, in the end the Argentinians lost, but it was due to a combination of the utter stupidity corruption and incompetence of the military government with lack of support.
The day the U.S. Navy CVNs groups are engaged by the armed forces of a POWER, is when you will really now. And today Russia is the main heavy weight, both from below and from above: they have nuclear submarines, and their air force has The Tu-160 and Tu-22M3 supersonic bombers that are cleared to carry nuclear and conventional supersonic anti-shipping missiles. You can read articles about some truly scary supersonic cucumbers the Russians have in service TODAY in their inventory, that once launched at a target, they are nearly impossible to be stopped or destroyed.
its funny rally americans claim to be the first to do everything
mmmmm well the first stealth fighter was made by germany yes thats right made by hitler and if he had continued the development well he would most likely have won the second world war
anyways there was a stealth fighter the germans made that used wood and charcoal this made the radars waves be bounced off of it
this aircraft was called the horton ho 229 it was a fighter/bomber that used the flying wing design
guess where most of the german scientist went to live and work after the war thats right america
also one other thing is the atomic bomb something else the americans claim to have developed all by themselves
A man called ernest rutherford split the atom and therfore was the very first to invent the atomic bomb and he is a New Zealander like me thats right the country half the world doesnt know exsist the one everyone thinks is part of australia
well the americans caught on and must of hired him or something and made there atomic bomb the whole idea of Ernest Rutherford was to split the atom in order to made a type of atomic power not for mass destruction and now we have nukes
anyway my point is Americans stop claiming you discovered or made things you clearly did not
yes you did make the technology you have but where did you discover the idea o yeaaas you stole other countries
yes you did make the technology you have but where did you discover the idea o yeaaas you stole other countries.
The problem i see in american defence industry is that it´s all about making money, everything has to be profitable, people are working mostly for personal achievements and benefit, and to do that the companies and their CEOs have to do a lot of PR, to convince everybody about how good their products are. Now I´m not saying that there is no marvelous tech being developped in the US,there is and probably behind what we can imagine (most of us). But on the other hand, Russian engineers have been driven, during the Cold War purely by patriotism (thanks to propaganda), people would give their entire lifes for their research and being better than the enemy. Nowadays, in the 2000´s russians a mainly driven by pride (of how the US mocked Russia in the 90´s) plus patriotism. I lived in the USSR, I know that mentality. Russia and the US are on par regarding high-tech, but on different fields. one problem russia has is its difficulty of putting into use many of its breakthroughs, but i guess that after the Usimfev book of the 60´s about stealh they learned the lesson, they keep everything secret.
Anyways both countries are very secretive,the thing is that russia can send people in laboratories in siberia, where as pretty much all of USA is well developped, so things come out a little bit easier, + whistleblowers…
excuse my spelling
regarding espionage it always existed, both countries soaked a lot of nazi research, and they have inspired themselves one from another on various occasions, but as a scientist said ´if you how your neighbour digs the earth, it doesn´t mean you won´t sweat when you´ll do it ´ ussr responded to most us military programs with one similar, but better 🙂 but it led to a different result. and do not forget how much russian know how what absorbed into the US during the 90´s, i would say it was like a second project Paperclip. But russia/ussr had/has its own projects and they were not used for PR…
…just a personal opinion
Rutherford split the atom he did not build the bomb. Just FYI it was a group of international scientists who fled Europe that built the bomb in New Mexico USA! Also the Horton flying wing never left the hanger…
Some daft people commenting here on both sides of a silly argument.
For a start, that thing about being unable to use radar onboard the plane. You just extend the radome inthe nose in front of the plassma sheath you idiot! Doh!
Then the guy who thinks a plasma is hot! Doh!
Then these Russians do come up with some clevver ideas,like the Squall cavitation torpedo, but the fact is they have squat cash to develop anything. So you end up with gigantic oversized copiesof American and European desings that use oversized primitive technology to achieve the same results by brute force. EG, Tu160 a scaled up copy of B1. This Mig is so damn obviously a copy of the Eurofighter Typhoon,but almosttwice as large because its built withcrude Russian technology. Buran….ooops, almost an exact copy of the shuttle but for the engines. Soyuz,,,yep, great, only it was originally an American design.
Oh and that torpedo…wellit sank the Kursk didnt it.
All these Russians and anti-American idiots on here saying “anything you did comrade we did it first”…areexactly like the running gag onStarTrek in which Ensign Chekov isforeversaying CharlesDickenswasa Russian, etc, yada, yada , yada.
But the American commentators are just as bad…back to the points I started with.
Anyway, Russian airplanes, flying Ladas. But even in Russian airplanes the Indian air force beats the USAF atcompetitive simulated combat exercises!
Guys , the arms bild up in Russia and USA is to cover the UFO’s problem that the planet Earth is experiencing . Trust me Russians and Americans and Chinees are BEST BODYS privatly and they do there best to protect us people of the Earth . They all trying to by time and get the extraterestial technology and protect the human race and THEY SHARE the technology and knowledge – trust me there will NOT be WW3 !!
so sleep good there will NOT be WW3 !!!
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